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ere we go again. A couple of years ago, I posted a blog in regards to rivalries, most notably my disdain for Missouri and Kansas State fans. For some, it was a breath of fresh air, and not surprisingly those that agreed with me were of the Crimson and Blue persuasion as well. For others, well, they were largely offended. For that I apologize. In a moment of passion and anger, I typed out what I was feeling, geared towards only a few specific individuals, but I encompassed all of Powercat Nation. For that there is no excuse.
But here we go again. As I type this, KU football is sitting at a confusing 1-2, after losing to Division II North Dakota State, beating 15th ranked Georgia Tech, and then laying an egg to Southern Mississippi. Kansas State on the other hand, is sitting at 3-0, having beaten UCLA, Missouri State, and Iowa State. And the comments begin. I have been barbed, poked, needled, etc., about all of this. And the two teams haven’t even played yet!
Here’s the real problem: this is not all K-State fans. In fact, I can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it’s not even exclusive to alumni of the university. For example, my friend Travis, a grad, loves the rivalry but cheers for his team and pays little to no attention to what KU is doing until the Sunflower Showdown arrives. We may exchange a few barbs, but it’s light-hearted and fun. It doesn’t help that Travis happens to be the nicest guy in the world, and I marvel sometimes at this and try to emulate some of his characteristics. A second example is my cousin Jenn, who graduated just this past year from KSU. She cheers for her Cats, and loves them with a reckless abandon. But she feels no need to join in the fray, and may well be guilty of cheering for the Hawks when they aren’t playing a team in purple.
Instead of getting mad, getting into an argument, or making someone else mad (again), I decided to do a little research. I began to question why I was a KU fan, and decided I had a choice I could make. It’s no coincidence that I recently re-read Lee Stobel’s “A Case For Christ”, and I decided to take on his tactics. While I didn’t meet with any experts, a couple of quick Googles, and few trips to the ever reliable Wikipedia, gave me all the answers I needed. So here’s the facts, just the facts.
Football
The KU versus K-State football rivalry began in 1902 and has been continuous since 1912. KU leads the all-time series 64-38-5, even giving K-State the win in a disagreed outcome from 1980, in which KU won, but had a player later declared ineligible for that game. Since beginning football, KU has won 15 total conference championships, but haven’t won a single one since their Big 8 days, and been to 12 bowl games, most notably the 2008 BCS Orange Bowl. For the Cats, they have won 5 conference titles, most recently in 2003, and have been to 13 bowl games, 12 of which have occurred since 1993. In effect, this is a tale of two different schools. KU has a much richer tradition in football spanning the last 100 years, but outside of an outstanding 2008 season, haven’t done much of note lately. K-State, on the other hand, was statistically the worst team in college football history when Bill Snyder took over, having compiled a 299-500-41 total record, up to the 1989 season. But, K-State actually had one of the highest winning percentage in all of college football for the 1990′s, and even reached as high as the #1 ranking in 1998.
Since the inception of the Governor’s Cup in 1969, K-State holds the edge in the series, 21-19-1, and has an edge in the last ten years with a 6-4 record against KU. Historically, KU has the edge, but K-State holds a slight edge in the modern era.
Basketball
The KU-K-State basketball rivalry began in 1907. The all-time record favors KU 180-90. Since beginning their basketball program, KU has won 53 conference championships, all but one of the Big 12 championships since the conference began, played in 13 Final Fours, and has won 5 National Championships. K-State has won 17 conference championships, been to 4 Final Fours, and in 1951 lost to Kentucky in the National Championship game. If you really dig into the numbers, you will find that K-State actually has a much richer tradition in basketball than in football, but up until the last few years, have been pretty poor. KU, well, there KU and the numbers speak for themselves, including being second in all of college basketball in total wins.
More recently the series has been lopsided. KU has won 33 of the last 35 games, and 9 of the last 10. During that span KU rattled off a 31 game winning streak against the Cats, and even managed a record 29 game winning streak on their opponent’s home floor, from 1983-2008. Clearly, we can’t give anyone the edge in this than KU. It’s been lopsided over the last 100 plus years, with KU winning 2 out of every 3 games they play K-State.
Everything Else
So, how do they compare in everything else. Well, I will admit that K-State women’s basketball has been a solid program for many years, and KU hasn’t done a thing since Lynette Woodard graduated nearly 30 years ago. Edge: K-State. KU has won 3 indoor and 3 outdoor track National Championships in their history, to none for K-State. Edge: KU. Neither men’s baseball team have ever done anything. Edge: Wichita State University! And I honestly couldn’t find information on softball for either squad. Volleyball? Edge: K-State, but only because it’s late, and I don’t want to seem one-sided, and most of you only care about football and basketball anyways.
Summary
At this point, if I have to spell it out for you, then frankly I’m surprised you were even able to read this far. You can needle me, heckle me, send me a text, make a snide remark, whatever it is you want to do. But I’m a KU fan, and I think I have made a case for why. From this point on, I will simply refer to this blog, and tell everyone to just check out the numbers. So for those of you who want to make comments, call me when the Wildcats have actually done something. KU has 12 combined National Championships, and K-State has none. ‘Nough said. Rock Chalk!